It is impossible to teach Truth without been reborn, otherwise you will only hear what you want to hear.
Yeah, that's called teshuva, and that concepts exists in Judaism without Jesus.
Teshuva a form of early repentance is followed today because the people don't know of any other way. Would you say this is true? Animal sacrifice was only a temporary means for repentance, and left behind, because it was not lasting. God has provided a permanent way to repentance, God sent His Son, the lamb of God to take the sins of the world upon Himself, once and for all.
No, I don't really agree. The Christian understanding of repentance requires a theology that is 1) not supported by the Tanakh, 2) violates the basic tenets of monotheism, and 3) means that God changed His salvation program, which is also unsupported by the Tanakh. If the Tanakh says that something is eternal there are no grounds for saying that an alternative program was adopted.
God is eternal, and He can do anything He wants, who is man to say he can't?
He can, but He won't, because He is faithful to His Word (the Tanakh). If He can do anything then He can forgive sin without sending a sacrifice, so the alternative program is redundant anyway, don't you think? There is remission of sin without the shedding of blood.
God is the living word. He started out with the blood of animals for sacrifice, now it is the blood of His very Son, The Lord Jesus Christ. What more could He give?
You read Scripture, right? There was a long interim of time in the Jewish Scriptures when there were no sacrifices and before the birth of Jesus. How were the Jews receiving forgiveness during this time? This is very important because neither "programs" were in effect at this time... Were people just wallowing in their sins?
Same as today all over the world, everyone is born into sin, passed down from Adam. Yes people remain in there sin until they come before the cross.
How did God forgive people before Jesus?
Leviticus 16:21-22 - And when he hath made an end of reconciling the holy place, and the tabernacle of the congregation, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat: And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness: And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness.
Right, and how did God forgive people when there was no Temple?
John 2:19 - Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this Temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this Temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
The Temple was there before Jesus was sacrificed, Jesus was the sacrificial lamb, all could come to Him and have their sins forgiven and taken away.
Let me rephrase the question. How were people atoning after the Temple was destroyed and before Jesus died, i.e., in between those two events? They had no way of atoning and Jesus hadn't come yet, so what were they doing?
The Temple was destroyed after the death of Jesus, so there was no in between. Also consider when Jesus walked among the people. Mathew 9:5-7 - For whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and walk? But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.
But the First Temple was destroyed before Jesus, and there was a period of time of 71 years without it. The 71 years is the time between the destruction and reconstruction of the First Temple. What were Jews doing to atone for their sins during this time if the blood of Jesus had not been spilled yet?
Sacrifices and burnt offerings never stopped, even though there was no Temple. For example, 1 Samuel 7:9 - "And Samuel took a sucking lamb, and offered it for a burnt offering wholly unto the LORD: and Samuel cried unto the LORD for Israel; and the LORD heard him." But even this was only a temporary means for sins.
When Samuel brought offerings it was in Gilgal before the construction of the First Temple. This was permitted by God temporarily until the construction of the Temple occurred. However, it was forbidden to bring sacrifices anywhere once the Temple was destroyed, i.e., during the 70 year exile. So the question remains: how were Jews atoning during this period?
Just used this as an example, other than Temple sacrifices.
Gotcha. But this gives us an answer to how they were atoning before the First Temple was built, but it doesn't tell us how they were atoning when it was destroyed. The reason I'm asking is because it seems like there was no way for them to repent during that time, so I'm asking your view on how they thought it was done.
What I'm getting at is the verse Hosea 14:2-3, where God tells the Jews that they would receive atonement through prayer during this time. We understand this to refer to all times where there is no Temple, including today. If it worked then, it should work now.
It seems all through the Old Testament sin was never dealt with properly. Sin is not an easy thing to remove, It seems Hosea 14:2-3 may not be the answer. The Father has the perfect plan. John 3:16.
How is it possible for God not to deal with something properly? It may not be easy for Man to remove sin, but it's no problem for God, so what exactly are we talking about?
Yes John 3:16 is the answer. Anything other way, man cannot meet up to God's expectation.
Do you know what it's called when an inventor makes a product that doesn't work properly? It's called "a design flaw." What you're saying is that when God made the Torah, that there was a design flaw. This is unacceptable when you're talking about a being like God, so I reject your position in principle. If you thought about it a little bit you might too.
Also, you have not answered the question: how were the Jews atoning when the First Temple was destroyed? This is an important question.
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